[27], After David Cameron became Prime Minister in May 2010, he appointed Coulson as Director of Communications for the government at 10 Downing Street. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". Because Id worked very hard at the News of the World, working weekends and god knows what else. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. Andy: Dangers of drug smuggling and all manner of other suggested uses for books. And a whole lot of stuff happened at the News of the World which should not have happened during my time, and Im sorry about that because the impact of it on an awful lot of people was, the result of it was a lot of pain and a lot of hurt for people. But first and foremost it was a professional relationship and thats exactly what I wanted it to be and he wanted it to be. Thats what we have here and obviously for me Im going to say its an imperfect system, but Im certainly not arguing that it should have been done some other way. [28], Coulson announced his resignation on 21 January 2011. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. Long before, in truth. So I changed my mind. I knew nothing about it, obviously. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. Jane: You are just talking there about your absolute love of that job at Downing Street. Trusted, high impact counsel, campaigns and crisis management for leaders, from Andy Coulson, Jon Steafel, Susan Adams and team. I think he had people advising him at that stage, obviously. I made my case but I obviously didnt succeed with the jury. And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. Does that tail occasionally whip round and hit you? [9][10][11][12], In June 2014 at the Old Bailey, Coulson was found guilty of a charge of conspiracy to intercept voicemails (phone-hacking). Im with a bunch of other people who are in the same situation as me and Ive just got to make the best of it really. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. In this first episode of the second series, Andy puts himself on the other side of the microphone and talks to journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore about his five-year crisis. Former spin doctor Andy Coulson appears in court alongside Rebekah Brooks and three others charged over corrupt payments to officials. How can I be the Director of Communications in Downing Street when Im on the front pages? And then before you know it youre back in court with a suitcase, waiting to find out how long youre going to go to prison for. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Ive got very used to that. And the other, in the same way as I have just said that I got enormous enjoyment from the political job, there is also a danger that because my newspaper career ended so badly, that you, sort of, chuck out all the good stuff there. So I actually had a little bit of time at home to be able to prepare, which I was very grateful for because that allowed me to talk to the kids and to talk to Eloise and get things sorted, get organised as best I could. [35] Clients include 'One Young World'. So, until you are there for, as it turned out for me, a couple of weeks, a bit longer actually, youve got to wear this kind of corned-beef-coloured tracksuit, which is utterly charming. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. His pay was 140,000, the highest paid special advisor. I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. And I talked them through it and I explained that Id been found guilty and that Id be going to a prison and then Id be moved at some point to an open prison and then they could come and see me. Find professional Andy Coulson videos and stock footage available for license in film, television, advertising and corporate uses. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. I mean, you've probably faced a few challenges in your life but an eight-month trial at the Old Bailey, followed by prison, is obviously another league. The Guardian said that the disclosure "is understood to have 'absolutely shocked' some Whitehall information staff. People were being genuinely kind to me. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. I cant say I succeeded in that regard, but that was certainly the instinctive approach that I took to it. Andy: You have to sit there on your own while the rest of your fellow inmates are with their families. Its proper drama. Because I read at one point that youd been pushed down the stairs. And I said, look Im going to do this for a while, I think its fascinating, I think it will be an amazing achievement to try and help him get into Number 10, but Im not going to stay. Andy: Well because Belmarsh is a high-security prison for a reason. And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. And its going to be Groundhog Day and actually the consequences of that trial could be even worse in Scotland and then a whole load of politics attached to that and theres a whole load of new agendas. Andy: Well, I think because of the podcast series. Thats basically where you spend yourself emotionally as an editor, in between those two things. Which do you think it was? And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. I had no complaint about it. I spent five years talking about it. So ask me what my biggest regret is, I would absolutely say it was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons, not Finn, come and visit me in Belmarsh, because it was only a couple of weeks after that visit that I got moved. So, I was a very willing crisis volunteer long before I became a conscript. What happened, happened. Andy: Probably a bit of both. Jane: Did you attempt to draw perspective from other sources? I never asked for any favours at all from anyone, but what I didnt think was fair was for me to be treated differently. Andy: Their choice really. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. Gregg was born April 2, 1962, in Boston, Massachusetts, the son of Mary Layne (ne Shine) and Robert Clark Gregg Sr., an Episcopal priest and Stanford University professor. Jane: So, when you talk to other people you intro it with crisis stories worth sharing. We built a brilliant team, we had the coalition. So, Harvey, Monty, Finn. Andy: Its a wretched moment and you know immediately really that youre going to be going to prison. Funny, at least for the first 10 times. I saw him at the beginning of the year. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. Andy Coulson is Former Editor of News of the World, Former Director of Communications, Downing Street, and an expert speaker on communications, crisis management and reputation. Diary Londoner's Diary: Truth surfaces about Damien's undersea world. But I accepted the system. I think that we are all stronger for it. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. Dead reporter's brother at inquiry. And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. Take control of what you actually have control over and, of course, the main thing that you have control over is your own mind-set and your own attitude. I like to think Im a better husband; I like to think Im a better father, a better friend. That was very difficult. I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. Browse 1,448 andy coulson stock photos and images available, or start a new search to explore more stock photos and images. And I took the view that this is what it is and it is just another place, a pretty unpleasant one, but its just another place. Ex News International chief executive Brooks, former Sun . [33], Prior to the jury handing down their verdict after Coulson's trial, Cameron issued a "full and frank" apology for hiring Coulson, saying "I am extremely sorry that I employed him. I accepted the verdict in the end, or rather its consequences I accepted. Id start with that, I think. I dont know, but it was incredibly frustrating. Journalist and broadcaster Jane Moore asked the questions for Coulsons new podcast series, Crisis What Crisis? As a newspaper editor, its a weekly crisis, daily crisis when youre working on The Sun, which is of course where I spent most of my time, most of my career. You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. Almost from the start of the trial, actually, because the profile of the trial was so high. [44] And Clive Goodman, in a letter from 2007: "The practice was widely discussed in the daily editorial conference, until explicit reference to it was banned by the editor. "[31] According to Chris Bryant MP, senior officials working with Coulson believed that he had the same clearance level as his predecessor. Suddenly youre on trial at the Old Bailey and youre hearing the word guilty; tell us about that moment. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. Coulson Partners offer strategic advice that moves the dial. Ask me where all the bad decisions are and there are quite a few, you might argue thats one of them. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. They were to work within the PCC code at all times". Ask away. I say that because I have been so completely blown away by the support and friendship that Ive had from people who, frankly, owed me nothing. And prison is the ultimate leveller. Six former members of staff from the now defunct. And they were nothing short of incredible. One you can have total control over, and that is: dont get into debt. So thats why were doing this. [1][65], English journalist and political strategist, Conservative Party communications director, Downing Street Director of Communications. Episode 8. Jane: So how did you avoid that photograph? I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. He was scheduled to stand trial in April 2015 but the trial was postponed to 11 May 2015 because of the general election. And thats just not where I am. I think there are probably people who think that I should still be in prison. I knew that Eloise would have read it and I knew that my mum would have read it. Andy: I think if people want to talk about my time at the News of the World, that conversation should always start with an apology and I have apologised several times. I just think people deal with things in different ways. In 2005, Andy Coulson was the award-winning editor of the News of the World, presiding over a culture of ruthless exploitation. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. I wasnt forced to be a tabloid newspaper editor and I wasnt forced to be a Tory spin doctor, if thats the description you want to use. And I managed to get down just in time and before you know it youre off driving through the city and I just remember looking at the bright blue sky really. Certainly, when you find yourself in crisis and thats also, more importantly, just not how I see it. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. Do you sort of feel, oddly, that all that crisis brought you closer together? They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. If thats how he feels, thats how he feels. So, I will blub at kids school plays Jeremy Bowen and I actually talked about exactly that. Im a big believer in counselling and therapy and that has helped me enormously, I have to say. (listen here). And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. Youve got to accept it, your good decisions and your bad decisions, and you have just got to move forward so trying to unpick in the past ask me from the point of a mental health issue, if you like, without doubt the most damaging, corrosive thing, is that reliving the past. Thats a memory I didnt want my boys to have and I regret that. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) is an English journalist and political strategist. I saw some pretty unpleasant things. [8] He was detained and charged with perjury by Strathclyde Police on 30 May 2012 in relation to evidence he had given in the trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan in 2010, and cleared on 3 June 2015. Actually, the most common refrain was Its not like the House of Commons, is it Andy? Not that I was ever an MP. Some people said that you deserved everything you got by going to prison and others, I think when you were talking to Richard Bacon in a previous podcast, he said that your sentence was very harsh. So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. And Ive got to be honest with you, it was actually really interesting and quite rewarding work. It was between governors and there was a proper shortage of staff. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. As director of communications for the Conservatives he does an excellent job in a proper, upright way at all times. In fact, there was a feeling that I may never get out until those trials were over. Coulson was the editor of the News of the World from 2003 until his resignation in 2007, following the conviction of one of the newspaper's reporters in relation to illegal phone-hacking. There were a few of those who ran away from the gunfire. [32] It later emerged that he was still being paid by News International while working for the then opposition leader. I know Harvey was, what, 14? [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. Jane: Between the jury verdicts at your trial, David issued an apology for hiring you and said it was wrong. Coulson is pictured leaving the court earlier. A thoroughly depressing experience, with barbed wire around you and over you, actually, to stop helicopters coming in. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. View the profiles of professionals named "Andy Coulson" on LinkedIn. And its like eating rotten fruit. He attended high school in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where his father was a professor at nearby Duke University. People treated us with respect and we did the same. Theres a door that youre going to go through. So, in this episode Ill be asking the questions in an attempt to unravel Andys five years of crisis. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. And I tried to make the best of it. And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. Nobody put a gun to my head and told me to do those jobs. Its a prison and a system thats designed to get prisoners re-engaging with society again and to prepare for release. They take your clothes when you go to prison, which I think is sensible. Find Andy Coulson's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading online directory for contact information. I mean thats why I think I have instinctively never really taken that sort of approach because I dont much like that. In 1994, he briefly moved to the Daily Mail, but after nine weeks moved back to The Sun to edit Bizarre. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. Andy: My sentence, having been found guilty of the crime, was probably about right. Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. And the only way to deal with it was to take one at a time and that is another common theme that has been coming out in these podcasts, that when you are in crisis, dont try and take control of everything. And then before you know it, I live a way away from London, finally we got in and I had a final meeting with my lawyers. Jane: Because it had been quite a high-profile trial. Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. I love a good book, both fiction and non-fiction. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. Andy: I have, yeah, and weve had that discussion. In January, a former News of the World journalist told the trial that his phone hacking skills were the main reason Coulson had hired him. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. No one wants to spend two months of their life in a high-security prison, certainly, but I was mainly concerned about my boys because I wanted to see them and I didnt want them to visit me in a high-security prison.
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